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Simple processes that save time - with Lindsay Tramel-Jones [Podcast Ep 11]

Apr 27, 2020

Lindsay breaks down her signature framework to create simple processes that save you time in your business.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones is a NC born and raised southern belle. She started Organized Chaos Design Company because she was not feeling fulfilled in her 9-5. Starting a business while being a wife, dance mom, and full time soldier was what some would consider too chaotic. However, she has learned ways to streamline and organize her chaos while doing the same for side hustlers with very limited time.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):

Hi, I'm Janessa MacKenzie brand new and I help entrepreneurs mindset, messaging, visibility unapologetically show up building. So how do you build your brand from the inside out? This is the elevate podcast.

Jenessa (00:24):

Hey everyone. Welcome back to the elevate podcast. I'm here today with Lindsay Tramel. She is a brand strategist, a web designer, and she focuses on helping female side hustlers increase their productivity and get their time back through her signature process. How are you?

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (00:41):

I'm good. How are you? Good, good.

Jenessa (00:44):

So tell us a little bit more about who you are, what you do, who you help.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (00:49):

Well, as you said, I'm Lindsay from Al Jones and I am the owner of Oregon mass chaos design company. My business focuses on giving female side hustlers options. So a lot of times people say that people should either quit their job and become an entrepreneur or become an Island, a fiver. But having a side hustle out actually gives people options to do either or, or maybe they just want a extra source of income. But the main focus when I do work with these high hustlers is to one, save them time. Because if you are side hustling, you don't have a lot of time. And to make sure that um, they're being as productive as possible with the little bit of time that they do have.

Jenessa (01:33):

So tell me more about the five hustle. Like I pretty sure I understand what you're saying, but that's interesting to me that you niche down to side hustlers.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (01:45):

So with me, I'm active duty army, so my business is actually my side hustle. So I always tell people, cause were like, you're in the army, you're going to have great benefits, but I can't wear my uniform forever so I'm going to have to get out. And when I do get out, I do want to continue to do something that's semi in my career field. So my side hustle organized chaos actually goes hand in hand. And what that, what I do for the army, just on a different level. But we still have though, we have like little news teams, we have videographers, web designers, the army hassles, actual jobs. We just do it on a different scale than what I'm doing for myself. So that's what um, drew me near to wanting to work with those people that are side hustles. Cause I understand, I understand how you don't have a lot of time.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (02:38):

I understand how you are, you have a career and people like you have this great career, why would you want to do this but you it might not be fulfilling. You. I have is so different doing branding in the army versus doing branding for a female ran business like its completely. So that's what drew me to work, niching down to working with side hustles cause I get it. I get doing the whole juggling it all and just not being being successful in your main job but it's just not, it's not doing it for you. You just feel like there's, it has to be more. Yeah. Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah. And the army is pretty well branded, right? Yeah it is.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (03:28):

But we just don't mean it. It's so much stuff that goes on inside the military that like when I first joined, my mother was like, Oh, you're going to be, she just figured out, everybody is just like walking around with guns and shooting and doing this all the time. But so much more forward to it than that. And we have different products because we put together products all the time. That's just like what's going on now with the COBIT 19 we put together, um, graphics for, to help people, especially in the army, but we have people that are stationed overseas. We put together infographics for them, we put together videos for them, we put together a lot of media and we have to do all that background work. Like who is it for, what areas is it for, is it colors we should stay away, stay away from and so on and so forth.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (04:19):

So some of the similar properties, similar properties, but just a different dynamic. Yeah, that's cool though. So on top of being full time in the army and having your business, are you also a mom and a wife and all those, you know, woman things that we all do? Yes, I am. So I have, we have one daughter, she is 10 and I'm married to a soldier myself. So I also wear the army wife hat. Um, but I am juggling all those things also. So not only being in my uniform, doing a day, but also having a husband that's in his uniform during the day. I have my, we have our daughter and she's also a dancer. So then I put the dance mom hat on. So I'm juggling all this craziness. There's so many different dynamics that it seems like a lot, but it's organized and it's, it's chaotic. Let's, that's where I got my name from. It's funny, I say that phrase all the time. I'm like, just leave my stuff alone. It's organized chaos. Yeah. That's so funny. And you know, having all of those hats to wear, you know, a lot of us have a lot of hats to wear. So you must have, and I know that you have because we had actually talked about this, but you have created systems and processes that work. Yeah. And you help people

Jenessa (05:58):

find those same systems and processes that work for them. Is that right?

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (06:02):

That's correct. With the my um, signature process when I do work with people and I call it the empowered experience cause I'm empower them to have options when it comes to their nine to five or become the full time entrepreneur or whatever they want to do. Once we've finished with the process, I do at one phase in my process, we do figure out what systems will work for them and I implement them. I help them come up with a SOP. I helped them, um, I trained them on how to use them. I do all the research. They tell me what they need and how from beginning to end their process looks when someone's working with them and I figured out, well you should probably use DAP. Cyto is one of my favorite ones as a set. I use that too. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that is, I always recommend them saddle to everyone, but you should probably use dub sido B and this will help you with these emails so that you don't have to write 10,000 times. So there's a lot of times we're writing the same emails to people, but if you have a system in place that you can already have the email template inside and you just do little minor changes that, um, makes it more personable and then it helps you save time. And people are like, I didn't know you could have stuff like this. Yes. You think, think these, all these solopreneurs are doing all this stuff by themselves.

Jenessa (07:27):

I know, I know. And we, you know what, we were probable, I was there. You were probably there at one point. Right. You know, and that's how we, that's how we learn. That's how we figure it out. But yeah, I remember being like, why am I writing the same email

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (07:43):

16 times?

Jenessa (07:45):

You know, there's gotta be a better way to do this.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (07:50):

Exactly. And it's, it's rough when you have to write it. And then I always would forget something. So one person will get this email that I've written like 10 times, but there'll be one little nuance that I'll forget or one little sentence that I'll forget and I'm like, I think I should have, I needed to do something better. Like you said, this has to be an easier way. And just implementing the upside with, which is one of the systems that I use has very, has been very helpful and it makes sure every client gets that same experience so no one can talk to another person. Like I didn't get that experience.

Jenessa (08:27):

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what you don't want. Right. I mean, you know, every person's going to be different in the way you, that you, um, you know, service those people is going to be different. But the experience they have, like when starting to talk to you or even at the end, you know, after they talk to you, that experience should pretty much be the same for everybody.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (08:51):

Yes. Yeah, totally agree. Yeah. So is it a lot of automation? Do you help people set up a lot of automation or possible what you,

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (09:02):

you know, so without giving away your whole process, tell us about the process. Okay, so the process. So I have five phases and I named my phases based off the fact that since I am active duty military, I'm always going to move. So it's a journey. I always say we're going through a journey when it comes to your brand. So in the first phase is that, um, embarkation is basically a kickoff. We're talking about your goals and we um, also we will confirm some dates cause we have several strategy sessions in between. And it's just like you're embarking on the journey. The second, the next phase is when we go through the authentic brand foundation. Because what I found is that a lot of side hustlers are a lot of women entrepreneurs in general. When I asked them what they wished that their brand could do, they would say, I wish I could show up authentically in my brand.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (10:09):

I wish it be. And usually those Woodside hustles are like, because I'm not myself and my nine to five, I'm this person that I have to be to climb that corporate ladder or to get that next rank or whatever your job is. You are not, they're not their authentic self. So their brand has to be authentic. So that's my second phase. When we go through, we do a deep dive and peel back all those layers as to what sets them apart and start making those, um, visuals like the logo, the color, the mood board, all that great stuff that will represent who they are authentically. Now the third phase is when we get into that process where we start talking about, um, I'll make them write their entire process from beginning to end. Like from what happens when somebody hits that inquiry button? Are they getting the email?

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (11:03):

Are they getting a prerecorded video? Like what are, what things are we doing or would you like to do in your process within that phase three, when we're doing that in a productive process, implementation, just phase three, we are starting to, that's when I'll start that. Um, the research based off what they want to do. So if you want to send a video, had videos, blah, bogged down emails, so all right, let's get you a YouTube account or uh, I always want to call it Venmo, Vimeo, Vimeo, what is the money, what is the, but whatever. I can get you something that you can help put those videos on. And that way you can just send them a link and then if it's the same process or if it's like just so generic welcome, you don't have to rerecord it every time you have already have it in a email format.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (12:07):

You have the link, you can customize the beginning of the email. Like, Hey, um, Sarah or whatever the person's name is, I enjoy talking to you about X, Y, and Z. Here's a video to welcome you or however you want to do that. Right. And we'll also get into a lot of people at email marketing. Email marketing is like, is the big, especially now, cause that's not you getting getting into people will figure out which way they need to go with as far as email marketing. I liked flow desk. Some people like MailChimp, some people like convert kit really doesn't matter, but whichever platform they decide to go with, I'll implement that. I will do all the background work for us, the workflows for as I'm setting up some generic email templates and then I'll also do a one Oh one training within the show them how to use it because just because they didn't set it up, they, I really don't really understand what goes on in the background.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (13:07):

So I do a little one-on-one training with them and then in my fourth phase that's when we do the website and with the website, all this course, all of those systems have to be tied into the website. So that's why I do the process first, do the website and then lastly we'll deep arc our journey and do a video training so that they know how to do simple stuff on their website. Nobody wants to call somebody every time they want to change the word. Like I still have a little time stuff to keep them afloat and that's pretty much my whole process in a nutshell. But they are left with that being able to do things faster with uh, being more productive, saving time because they're not rewriting all these 10 million emails, saving time because some things are automated and they don't even, it just goes.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (13:59):

So, um, and then they also have a clear understanding of their process cause a lot of times, and I was there too, I knew what I was doing but I never wrote it down until a while ago. I never actually sat and I was like, okay, after this happens then this is going to happen and this is going to happen. And once I wrote it down and started working out through all the kinks, like every piece of it, it's easier to explain it because I know it, I understand that I know what's going to happen next versus somebody not getting a piece of the pie because I forgot something because I never had it planned out properly. And then they can do it with more confidence too because I'm sure when they came to you they were like, I have no idea. It was total confusion when they came to you unravel at and you hand

Jenessa (14:52):

it back to them while you're working with them through it, which is great because now they can see their own pieces. Yeah, and when you hand it back to them and say, okay, here you go. Like go have a blast. Like they're like, yes, you know they're not going, but what, you know.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (15:09):

Yeah. I try to have them as set up to do as much as they can on their own or because there's some parts within, let's say if they decide they need to have a virtual assistant at one point of literally later on down the road, it's easy to bring somebody on to help you out. If you know, if your systems and processes are in place, it's easier to explain it to someone else when you have something written out that you understand versus something that's all in your mind and you're trying to explain it and hope and not to forget something.

Jenessa (15:46):

Yeah. That you're just kind of throwing words out there going, I don't know. We just do this and we do that. We do. And then we do that. Oh, and I forgot about this and the other person's looking at you going, what? What? Yes. Especially somebody that is, you know, coming onto your team, a virtual assistant, a social media manager, any of those people, how often have to have a process, you have to tell them what to do.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (16:14):

You do. Yeah, exactly.

Jenessa (16:15):

So if you don't know what you want them to do, it's going to be a very Rocky relationship.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (16:24):

If you don't know, then they don't know.

Jenessa (16:27):

Exactly. Yeah. And you know, they, they can't do what you want them to do if you can't explain what you need them to do.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (16:36):

Yes, exactly. That's so true. And then it helps, like you said, it helps with the confidence and when you're confident and you know, know your process, you know what you're doing, then people are more likely to invest in you to spend, to buy your product because they believe that you know what you're doing. If you don't know, we were like, if you don't know that, I definitely know they'll give me my money.

Jenessa (16:59):

Yeah. Right. So true. Yeah. I mean, you know, and it's okay if you don't have it all together. It is to, you know, still put your stuff out there. It is just just, you know, keep it as cohesive as possible, you know, and try to get as many automations as you can set up because yeah, talk about a time saver and a game changer. Like just having an automated email when somebody yes. Sends an inquiry. That's a couple of things happen. When that happens. One that person's like, Oh like they got right back to me and it makes them feel good. Feel like you, you okay paying attention like are seeing they

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (17:50):

are hurting like okay she got right back to me and second it makes you real quick. You get your stuff together. Right. Even if your court really don't have it all together, that makes it look like you have it more together than the next guy. It does. It really does make it look like you have and you can do some of the, you do have email templates and I know a lot of people like I, I'm just starting out. I don't have money for cyto or 17 hats or any of those things with Google. And you have to have a M a G suite account, which I think is $10 a month maybe. Um, you can do email templates inside Gmail. Like you can do email templates in there and you can save them and it might, it's not as fancy as having up Sato but it's so much a start.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (18:45):

Like nobody's starting out has all their ducks in a row. Yeah. Yeah. But there are tools out there, especially with Gmail, being able to have templates. And then I would even say even if you don't have G suite, you can type them up on a word document of Mac paper document, whatever you're using and have them save. And all you have to do is copy and paste. Like there's so many ways to simplify things and you don't have to have a ton of money cause starting out, people don't have the money to invest in some things. And do you just have to think outside the box, do what works for you and what saves you the most time? I'm all about saving time. Yeah. Saving time and saving money. Right. Like those things, you know, and that's a good point because you know people that are either just starting out or just don't want to spend money every month on those specific things.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (19:47):

Right. You know, everyone needs a place to house their email list so you can use MailChimp, which is free. Then you can, and you can, you can create like opt-ins, right. On MailChimp. Yeah. We sure can. And then you can use Zapier to zap your, your form to create, you know, to send that email out. So there are ways to do this without spending, you know, I don't mean dip saddle really isn't that expensive? No. It's like 40 bucks a month or something. Yeah, it's a less, it's like 40 yes. And you can get a code from everybody. Yeah. Anybody that has Sato can give you a code to save more money, at least on the first month. And I think you'd get a 14 day free trial anyways. You do. And just go in there and try it out. And there's so many different CRMs. I try HoneyBook for a little bit. Um, I tried and did the free trial, whatever theirs is. I can't remember what it was as a while ago, but it wasn't for me. So I tried something else. I dabbled with 17 hats, but I just was sold on the upside of that was the one. But they're, so

Jenessa (21:13):

I do because there's so much, you know, and I'm a photographer as well as a coach. So yeah, the fact that they have the contracts and there just everything can just be housed under one client and that's it. Like you don't have to worry about going to find it in the schools or that folder and all these other crazy things that you're like, where did I put that? And you know,

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (21:44):

where is this file it all there.

Jenessa (21:46):

Emails are saved right under the person and yeah, it's very easy. So this definitely is not an advertisement for dip Sato but it is very, very easy to use. So if you are looking for a CRM, definitely check them out. Yeah. Send either one of us, you know, me or Lindsay, a DM saying, Hey, send me your link for good. Sato yeah, yeah, yeah. We have them. We do have them. Yeah. So you know, what, what's your advice for the moms, the jugglers, the, all the hat wearers, you know, just in life in general. Like how do we, how do we organize our, our chaotic lives?

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (22:29):

I was, I would say be forgiving of yourself for years. Own yourself. You're not going to get all the things done. You're, you're just, you're just not. Um,

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (22:43):

and make sure, especially as an entrepreneur, make sure the, your schedule that you work on your business works for you. So my schedule is based off my kid's dance schedule. So I take calls when she's in bands and nobody knows that while you guys are there now, but nobody knows that. It's just like, well, these are just the hours she worked. Well, I worked these hours because my kid is in dance and ah, I'm not doing anything else during that time besides sitting there waiting on her to get out. So this is the perfect time for me to take calls because I'm, I have this free time. So it's your business. Make sure it works for you. Make sure that, um, you have fun in it. If you don't have fun, then you might as well not, it should be fun. It's gotta be some heartache is going to be, it's going to be work. Just cause it's fun. Doesn't mean it's not going to be where this is gonna work, but should be fun.

Jenessa (23:46):

I is, it should be fun. It should be rewarding and it should definitely be authentic. But be forgiving. Take it step away from the computer. Sometimes step away from the computer. The only your date night have would you kid? Um, yeah. Protect your boundaries. Yes. Yes. Boundaries. Yes. I don't give my client is my phone number just because in the beginning I would give them my phone number and they fill it. They can just call me whenever. Yeah, you just want to call me all the time. I can't do this. But now I am like, you have to schedule a zoom. We have to schedule a zoom call. I can't give you my phone number cause some people will call at 10 o'clock at night and I'm like, no.

Jenessa (24:44):

Yeah. So just be clear on your business hours and make sure that your schedule, like when they can go into your schedule and choose a time, make sure you have specific times blocked off for calls that they can only schedule during those times. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Cause you don't want to just be like, Oh here's my schedule. I was like from 12 midnight til 12 midnight. You know that it does not help you at all. Like, you know, running a business, starting a business, keeping it going is work. Right. I mean where we're doing it and where hustling and where, you know, doing our thing every day. But it, yeah, like you said, make your business work for you. You just, you are not an employee any longer in your business. So amen. Yes. Amen. Sure. That you are not being an employee to your business. Yes. Yes. Wilson, you like the prayer hands like I would send it right now.

Jenessa (25:53):

I think that's a huge, huge, huge piece because I remember, you know, when I first started it was, um, you know, working nine to five, coming home, dropping my bags, getting on the computer and going to bed at like 10, 11. Yeah. My family was like, who? Who are you? Like I come downstairs like, Oh, Oh, I have a mother. You know, it's true. I feel like crap because, you know, you start to feel guilty. Like I know the whole rabbit hole that you go down, you know, which is why I can help people now that are going down that rabbit hole or in that rabbit hole, like can help them get out of it. So, you know, that's, that's why, that's why I do what I do. Like just like you, you empower them and just a different way than I do, but we're all just empowering everybody out there. So that's pretty awesome.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (26:51):

That is awesome. It's just, it was like going back and forth with empower empowerment and it's, I think a lot of times when I first started, I tried to hide that I had a nine to five don't. Yeah, I did. It was one of those limited beliefs that how other entrepreneurs take me seriously or how will they think that I'll be able to help them if I'm not full time. Yeah. One of those things that I struggled with for awhile and eventually I was like look, and when I started niching down I was just like, look, I have to there, I'm not the only one doing this. There are several people that have a nine to five and they have a side hustle and they're doing it all. And I just need to let that go. One day on my Instagram I talked about it, I came in, I'm like, I came on my Instagram with my uniform on cause we were always like, I didn't know he was an army. Yeah.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (27:56):

So I came with my uniform and I talked about it and I got so much feedback from people saying I I do. I am one lady was like, I am a manager, like a Hilton or something and I'm also a photographer. But I never talked about the fact that I'm a manager at this hotel because I don't want people to think that I'm not taking photography seriously. So people, it really resonated with people and it helped me and made me realize like this is what people need this. People need to know that it's okay that you have both. I retired, I would retire in six years from in the military. I have six more years and I'm retired. So I'm building now. So when I get out, I'm not trying to build from scratch and I'm already there and everybody who is going to,

Jenessa (28:54):

you know, just wa, I mean there are people that do it, so don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with these people at all because if you can do it, then God bless you. But yeah, most people cannot just walk away from their nine to five go full time in their business and expect one expect to make the money that they were making in their full time job right away. Cause it's just not going to happen. Your business takes time to build. Like you're, you're, you're planting seeds today that you will not, you know, pick those flowers or eat that fruit

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (29:31):

for a year.

Jenessa (29:33):

Not every single, you know, some are gonna grow faster than others, but every day the seeds that you plant are not going to be so on the same day. It's not, it is a, it's a process. Yeah, absolutely. It is a long, it's a process and it's not linear. It would be ups and downs. But um, yeah, it would be ups and downs, but it is a process and you just have to trust it and just not be ashamed of your story because your story, it can inspire somebody else. Your story is what makes you unique and it what draws people to you. So don't let that random belief, I don't know why I left that hold out. And it was holding me back. I didn't let that hold me back. You can't allow things like that to hold you back or you'll be, you won't, you'll be missing opportunities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, and if you're starting a business and think you're going to get rich quick, just stop now. Yes. Yeah.

Jenessa (30:49):

It's not going to happen. Like just be prepared, like buckle up and be ready. And really that's what entrepreneurship is and it's not quitting when like your world looks like it's going to fall apart and you just keep going. Like that's, that's, you know, I hear that a lot. Like I work with mostly women entrepreneurs who've been in business for a little while. So there, you know, they've gone through that initial shock of being an entrepreneur. Yeah. Through it, you know, that, that one, but then after that they're like, you know, you're doing self development every day, right? Yeah. But you know, I think that we assume or we think that, you know, once we do a certain part of self development that like we're all better, you know, like we're not ever going to feel that way again. And that's not true because things pop up all the time, all the time you're like, Oh, I dealt with this like a year ago.

Jenessa (31:55):

Well here it is. Here it is again. I'm not gonna do it again. And you know, you deal with it again, but you know, the second time it comes up or the third time and the fourth time it's going to come up in a different way. [inaudible] you know? So that's where I find most of my clients lie right there is they come to me saying, you know, with the authenticity I, I need to get my butt out there. Like I need to be seen. I need to be authentic. I need to grow my audience. I need to get to that next level. I need to blaze my trail, but I don't know how, or I'm stuck or I don't know what to do next. Or, you know, all of the things we tell ourselves, you know, and I do it too, you know, I'm not saying anything bad about anybody that does that because I do it. I have a coach all have a coach, every single person and coach. Yeah.

Jenessa (32:56):

So, you know, just be ready because it is, it's up and down and up and down and like, that's like the, you know, people say a roller coaster and it is, you know, like a rollercoaster. I think of it more as like, uh, a boat on a really choppy ocean. Like you just kind of go in and you're like side to side and you're swaying all over the place and yeah. And then all of a sudden the sun comes out, the water gets calm for awhile, but it's going to happen again. You know, the storm is going to come again and you just gotta be ready for it. It'll be ready for it. You gotta be confident enough in yourself and your abilities to, to keep going, put on your rain jacket and tell the storm where to go.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (33:37):

Keep pushing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be easy.

Jenessa (33:43):

Yeah,

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (33:46):

and a lot of people, when I get my clients, a lot of them because they're side hustlers and there's so many

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (33:56):

professional, like one one woman that I worked with, she is, she's a dentist and she said, she was like, well, my family actually wants to be a podcast. She does this, he does podcasts, and she was like, I don't want to be a dentist anymore. And she was like, my family is always saying, you have all the schooling, you have all this, that and the third. Of course, that's what everybody says. You have all this, why would you want to give it up? And she was like, well, I want to be a podcaster, but what I'm doing in my nine to five isn't getting me where I need to go. And I was telling her that there's, these are two different avenues when you're working for someone and you're trying to get to where you need to go is a way different than when you're, you're leading, you're leading. If you're a business and you're taking it somewhere, so you have to do it. Approach it differently. There will be some things that are similar, but they are going to be some different approaches when you own it and it's your baby and it's your name on it versus when you're just a passenger. Yeah. Getting it where it needs to be. So there are different approaches and you have to just be

Jenessa (35:10):

roll with the punches. Yeah. And I would assume that, you know, it's, it's difficult to, to work that nine to five be an employee for eight hours out of the day. [inaudible] come home and work on your business and where you're not an employee. So you have to switch your mindset. Yes. From employee mindset to entrepreneur mindset and it, you know, they're, they're different. They're very different. You know, one is like, you know, the Beyonce of, you know, like you, you have to like be the beyond say of your business. Like, you know, can you just stand up in that wonder woman pose and you're like, yeah. You know, and then, you know, but at your nine to five job, it's, it's a little different. You know, you're not, not Beyonce. Yeah.

Jenessa (36:10):

Yes, yes. Does that mean that you're not, that was the best. Yeah. So, you know, ladies, if you're listening right now, just know that we're still giggling at destiny shot, but you are not alone. There are plenty of people, plenty of us out there that, you know, do the nine to five work on the business, have kids, have families, have husbands, have dogs, have whatever it is. And then, you know, and, and it goes in layers cause since your kids have activities and so you're, you know, we really are being a different person in a lot of different places. [inaudible] and it's amazing one that our brains can handle that because just thinking about it sometimes makes you want like want to just go to bed cause it's, yes, but you know, we're, we're all in this together. We're, and we're all here to help each other and empowering all the women and the men, you know, and the men too because they, you know, they're going through it too. Yes they are. I might have one. Yeah, they're gonna put up with us. Right. Different heads are multiple personality. Yeah. So the, you know, it really is all about working smarter and not harder. [inaudible] uh, you know, get your processes in place. Send Lindsay a DM on, on Instagram. If you Neo need some tips on how to, you know, or what, what processes you could put into place, what can you, um, automate, you know, I'm sure she would be happy to help you.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (38:18):

I would, I would in, I would also send me a DM and um, I've also been talking to random people and see where I'm about what they can do differently now that the norm is not the norm right now. I don't tell us.

Jenessa (38:33):

So. So I especially

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (38:36):

beauty industries have been to, I've been talking to them because their lives has definitely been disrupted with Kobe at 19. And so I'm going to do a Instagram this next week. I'm going to do my, it's going to be maintaining more than businesses what I'm calling it and I'm going to do lives different people from different beauty industries, from browse the waxing to all that stuff. They know you, they're going to give you stuff that you can do at home. And a lot of them are pivoting to where they're at, giving virtual one-on-ones. So one lady, my first lady on Monday, she's gonna do, she's gonna just talk about, I'm doing a basic makeup and I said, very basic that anybody can do. It's going to do a basic look. And I said, you also need to show us how to conceal these little mustaches.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (39:30):

It's going to start popping up because they get to the last lady that was like, that's something, these are things that women we need, but we don't really talk about it in the open. But I bet you somebody wants to know, Hey, I want to know about somebody I need. I mean me, but um, issues like, well I can't do if I can't do their makeup, even if like after the live, if they were interested. And I was like, well you can do a first full one-on-one. And she was like, you're right. So that's one thing that she's going to start, she's going to offer at the end. It's like, Hey, if you want a virtual one-on-one with me, let me show you what this brush does. Cause I have brushes and I can tell you what happened. Do I pick up? This looks like it'll work.

Lindsay Tramel-Jones (40:26):

I probably got concealer, MIS mixed with shadow mix it all sorts of stuff. But it is, but I if you have any questions, yeah, just jump in my DMS I have, I'm so used to thinking outside the box. Even like even now within the army where I'm at, we're teleworking, which is unheard of and, but we are thinking outside the box. We are finding ways to make it work. So as bad as COBIT 19 is and the way that his health is hurting people and health wise, it's also making people expand with their capabilities and it's missing you is forcing to think a little bit more. I do appreciate that part where it's forcing us to um, go outside our things that were our safe zone comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this is the time right now.

Jenessa (41:34):

Everyone too think outside your box. Like way, way outside your box. You should be thinking outside your box at least once a day anyways. [inaudible] regardless because you're not going to grow in your box. Yeah, yeah. So let's, you know, at least try to think outside your box for something. It doesn't even have to be your business. Like even your life, like something, it doesn't even matter. Try something new. Something. Think outside your box. And you know, the other thing is, is if the army with their strict rules and the way they do things can think outside their box. Yes, my dear. Can think outside the box. Yes you can.

Jenessa (42:16):

Alright. So Lindsey has a little gift for all of you. She has her top three tools to save time and increase productivity, but she uh, I will link in the show notes for all of you. And uh, do you have any last words for the listeners today, Lindsey? Um, just, uh, first I want to thank you for having me, for being here. Um, I hope my accent and throw herself so much. Um, I just want to say that just be forgiving of yourself and just we're in this together. Keep empowering one another with how it doesn't matter if it's business, if it's homeschooling, cause I'm the worst. Homeschooler if it's just life in general, it has to be a, an exchange of energy and make that energy, good energy. Whatever you do may just be an overall exchange. That good energy cause cause we need it right now as a whole.

Jenessa (43:18):

As a people. Yeah. Bring the light people, bringing the light. Bring the light. Yes. All right. So if you are listening to this episode, I would love for you to screenshot it, tag, both Lindsay and I, where you can find [email protected] co on Instagram and on Facebook. Yep. So tag both of us and show us that, uh, you know, you listened. Tell us what you love the most about it. We'd love to hear from you. And as we said, get outside your box, outside your box today, tomorrow and every day. And we will see you in the next episode.

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